The lack of posts recently has been due to contracting some kind of respiratory illness, coughing, wheezing and generally feeling tired and washed out.....typically just at the start of Chrismas leave.....
It has also resulted in a complete absence of painting!
I have been reading about the battle of Pavia......
What is clear is that there is no single coherent account of the battle; both the contemporary and modern accounts of the battle differ considerably - a point raised by Martyn in his blog as he considered how to wargame the battle.
https://www.collegeofkings.com/battle-of-pavia-in-2025/
I have found many of the modern accounts make references to "attacking the right flank" or "left flank" without a clear explanation of how this was possible given the limited maps and diagrams.
As usual, the numbers of the opposing forces differ widely and we run into the usual problems of "lances" and how many actual heavy cavalry this represents...
More problematic are issues such as where in the park walls the Imperialists broke into the Parco Viscontio; accounts differ whether it was the east or north walls which has a significant impact on the battle, or where the garrison made a sortee - I have seen both south and north east suggested.
Contemporary woodcuts, paintings and tapestries further confuse matters all choosing to show a perspective from north looking south to Pavia and distorting geography and distances.
Modern wargame reconstructions suffer from all these issues and more, not least perpetuating some common myths.
These include:
The Swiss - normally portrayed as fearsome fanatics - one rule set had a rule they never rout! In this battle their performance was lukewarm and it certainly looks like they routed in a panic at the end; perhaps Bicocca a mere three years earlier had been the high tide of ferocious behaviour.
The French and Italians seem to have played no part aside from the cavalry, artillery and some references to Gascons with the king. The cavalry in wargames are often decisive. In the real battle they seem to have been tardy in arriving and suffered from the terrain and boggy ground.
The Black Band - of which there were two present. Giovanni de Medici had been wounded (and would later die of these wounds); his unit had suffered casualties and was probably posted to the south of Pavia so played no part in the battle. The landsknechts are more problematic. They were named prior to entering French service and are often shown in black uniforms and armour. It seems the original band were supplemented by more mercenaries for an invasion of England under Richard de Pole. Thus there may have been two units - it is perhaps telling that both de Pole and Lorraine are given as leaders. Contemporary depictions do not show black uniforms, although in the Tapestries now in Naples, a few figures are so depicted....
Maps - these vary but are crucial to getting any understanding of the battle. That said, these vary considerably. This is one of the better:
(From https://www.thedevilstonechronicles.com/The-Siege-of-Pavia.php)
Given that the park was fairly waterlogged and the attack was made at night, the tracks and roads would have been used (there is an indication they were raised). From this it s likely the Porta Pescarina and wall adjacent were the point of entry for the Imperial army (the gate on the north wall above).
Assuming the French advances also used the roads for the most part the action seems to have taken place to the east and south of the Mirabello lodge with a subsidiary action to the south around the Five Abbeys (to the east of Pavia itself).
More on numbers and OoB in a subsequent post.
Hope you are on the mend soon, Neil. Flu is traveling through family circles here brought on by holiday activities. So far, I remain unscathed.
ReplyDeleteExcellent ruminations on Pavia. I look forward to your OB assessments. As for the Swiss, I think you have something about Swiss motivation and aggression after their thumping at Bicocca. I wonder if they lost confidence in their paymasters and were reluctant to press on without support? I would lean toward downgrading Swiss after Bicocca.
Thanks Jonathan. Their performance was decidedly lacklustre. It appears the first square were beaten by landsknechts and fled towards the other square, sweeping them away in rout. The sortee from Pavia may have tipped them over.
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I hope you feel better soon Neil, I find a couple of glasses of Ashbach Germany brandy helps.
ReplyDeleteWillz.
Thanks Willz, sadly don't tolerate alcohol so brandy isn't an option!
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Hope the lurgy leaves you soon sir, interesting read about Pavia and should be very interesting in where you go with it.
ReplyDeleteThanks Donnie - it has certainly impeded productivity!
ReplyDeleteAs to the battle as a wargame, there are two main options.
1) start the game with the Imperialists having broken into the park; the options are how far you allow their deployment. For the French, there has to be a delay; both forces should not be able to react immediately - it was night/dawn and foggy -one sent out a patrol, the other was probably alerted by the first force or refugees from the camp followers near Mirabello.
2) Allow free deployment for the Imperialists, including where they break into the park. The French will need some form of spotting and reaction otherwise they will overwhelm the Imperialists. Terrain effects on movement will need careful planning.
Neil
This is all very interesting Neil, this isn't a period I'm very familiar with from a wargaming pov, although we did cover Pavia et al when I studied early modern history a very, very long time ago. Hope you feel better soon.
ReplyDeleteThanks Martin. I'd only really read around the Italian Wars and made the naive assumption that the secondary sources mostly agreed on numbers, OoB and terrain for the major battles.
ReplyDeleteIt was only when I started looking at Ravenna that I realised there were different interpretations than Taylor's (Art of War in Renaissance Italy) and the sources were either scarce or problematic.
Wargamers have contributed to this by trotting out the same "facts" without any research and repeating stereotypes based on very shaky evidence.
Neil
Hope you're on the mend soon, Neil!
ReplyDeleteInteresting stuff on Pavia, I had not 'twigged' that it is the anniversary, time to get out the board game (Decision Games) that I bought a few years back.. Much more dim and distantly I remember a 'Battle for Wargamers' article in the late 70s, George Gush and friends doing a refight, presumably with his WRG rules. Given the size and the old-school rules, they may still be playing..
I look forward to your version!
Thanks David. I'm getting there.
DeleteMy memories of WRG Renaissance is that the musketeers were armed with M16 or AK47 or so it seemed at the time....
I remember playing an Italian Wars game with Tercio, which were better but completely baffling to someone who had not even read the rules.....
I have that Decision Games title too....
Neil